Is this the real reason for the war in Iraq?

For Israel?

Published on April 16, 2005 By Ionolast In Politics

I was reading about Deism when I found this article. I'm not going to say much about it because I don't follow politics very much (as some of you may have already guessed). So I'll just provide you with the link to the page where I found it and you can check it out and then those of you who follow politics can discuss it among yourselves. There are links on that page to other pages where the claims came from. Link

Comments

Dr Guy

on Apr 16, 2005

Well, that is new and different! I must say amusing as well.

But in all seriousness, Israel already demonstrated they could take out Iraq, so forgive me if I am a tad bit skeptical.

Eastern Diamondback

on Apr 16, 2005

Here's my opinion on the matter:

Short answer - Yes.

Long answer - Partially yes, but not in the way some would like to portray it. One of Al Qaeda's favorite citations against the United States the state of the Palestinians and the intifada, which this time around was nothing but a terrorism campaign. Saddam was instigator. He did his part to ensure the intifada continued. With Saddam out of the way the instigation has been greatly reduced. It's a lot harder for Zawahiri and Bin Laden to whip up followers when the Palestinians themselves aren't taking the same roads they did before. Personally I have my doubts as to how much the Al Qaeda leadership and the rest of the Arab and Moslem world really cares about the Palestinians. The Jordanians fought a brutal war against them, and the Palestinian migration into Lebanon following this war was the cause of that country's long civil war. Reminds me of so many white liberals who say they care about minorities and the poor, but would never want to live around them if they didn't have to. Pro-Israel does not inherently mean Anti-America.

Eastern Diamondback

on Apr 16, 2005

Well, that is new and different! I must say amusing as well.But in all seriousness, Israel already demonstrated they could take out Iraq, so forgive me if I am a tad bit skeptical.

This viewpoint is not new. I heard people arguing this well before the war started; probably as early as late summer of 2002. It gets backing from two very different groups:

A. Communists (and nihilists, anarchists, and socialists) who hate America regardless of what she does.
B. Neo-Nazi organizations (Nazis, Aryan Nations, National Alliance, White Aryan Resistance) who see the Jew as the primary enemy of the world.

For the Communists and their set, this is a proxy argument. For the Neo-Nazi sets, this is a matter of trying to identify and isolate their enemy. This issue itself and how it relates to the American public is immaterial.

Dr Guy

on Apr 16, 2005

Reply By: Eastern Diamondback Posted: Saturday, April 16, 2005
Here's my opinion on the matter:

Short answer - Yes.[snip]

Ok, putting it that way, I can see the point. You did a lot better explaining it than the article did. I can buy that. politics is as much intrigue as it is overt posturing. Got to give you an insightful for that one.

Dr Guy

on Apr 16, 2005

This viewpoint is not new. I heard people arguing this well before the war started; probably as early as late summer of 2002. It gets backing from two very different groups:

How about a third group? The one that remembers when Israel took out the Iraqi Nuclear weapons processing plant? That is where I was coming from.

Ionolast

on Apr 16, 2005

forgive me if I am a tad bit skeptical

Never let it be said that I think skepticism is a bad thing.

Eastern Diamondback

on Apr 16, 2005

I once commented on someone's blog what I believe were eight or nine different reasons for going into Iraq, and my above comment was one of them. I wish I could find it again.

Dr Guy

on Apr 16, 2005

I once commented on someone's blog what I believe were eight or nine different reasons for going into Iraq, and my above comment was one of them. I wish I could find it again.

I should read more of your stuff! I will look for it in the future. Needless to say, repetition is not bad when it punctuates a good point.

Eastern Diamondback

on Apr 16, 2005

How about a third group? The one that remembers when Israel took out the Iraqi Nuclear weapons processing plant? That is where I was coming from.

Well, I've pretty much only heard it emanating from these two camps, at least vocally.

Dr Guy

on Apr 16, 2005

Well, I've pretty much only heard it emanating from these two camps, at least vocally.

Your camps are extremes, and I would hope that I was in neither. That is why I explained my rationale.

Eastern Diamondback

on Apr 16, 2005

Your camps are extremes, and I would hope that I was in neither. That is why I explained my rationale.

I think what you are trying to say is different. I'd say the Osiraq bombing was an inspiration, not a reason.

What these two camps are trying to say is that Israel is the master of the US. That its lobby is so strong that they could make the president of the United States send troops to fight a war the Israel wants but America doesn't. That's completely different from what you're saying.

David Hawley

on Apr 16, 2005

In addition to sending Americans to die for Israel's security, the politicians are also doing it for oil - oil for Israel!

I approve this message.

Ionolast

on Apr 17, 2005

Eastern Diamondback, are you saying that those two groups use the viewpoint in a way it wasn't intended? I found this elsewhere on the deism site.
"Here are some good Bible sources for Jewish superiority. When some anti-Semitic Nazi nut tells you we should question US support for Israel, and that Israel is not worth the lives of hundreds of Americans, here are some Bible verses you can use to set them straight!"

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